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    #122460   2008-05-19 23:38 GMT      
    In my humble opinion Capital Punishment equals REVENGE.
    A society to be more civilized has to find better ways of punishment, civilized ways, that will ensure a JUST punishment without resorting to old-fashion justice.
    Please feel free to disagree with me.

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    #122461   2008-05-19 23:46 GMT      
    It can be the most loving and educational thing to do for one who has murdered another person. With this motive, it cannot be revenge.

    I am also certain we are not our bodies and we return to this physical plane until we have learned to be loving.

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    #122462   2008-05-19 23:46 GMT      
    I think it's inhumane as a punishment, but necessary in certain very rare cases, when there's a significant risk that the person being executed will commit a horrible crime in the future.

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    #122463   2008-05-19 23:50 GMT      
    1) Some people do crimes so heinous, they deserve to be executed

    2) capital Punishment does not deter crime

    3) It is pure revenge and, in regards to point 1, wholly earned

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    #122464   2008-05-19 23:57 GMT      
    Capitol punishment is ironic, because society kills to prevent killing, and society kills more when it sees that society kills.

    Karl Marx did a study in London in 1865 where he found that every time they had a public execution the murder rate rose 50% for the next 3 days.

    I don't deny the state's right to execute. I just deny the efficacy of it. It has the reverse effect from what is intended.

    Killing begets killing. Period.

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    #122465   2008-05-20 00:01 GMT      
    Frankly speaking, every 'punishment' is a soft way of putting: 'vengeance'.

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    #122466   2008-05-20 00:05 GMT      
    Of course it's inhumane. Of course it's revenge. It's not helpful; it's not educational. And all that's considering that the prisoner really did do the crime he/she was convicted of. (Juries and courts are wrong sometimes.)
    It's kind of crazy actually. Society says, "You killed someone. You're bad. Now we're gonna kill you." WHAT??? I've never been able to understand that kind of stuff. Society has apparently determined that killing people is bad, right? So now that same society goes and kills someone.
    I don't know if it was Martin Luther King or Gandhi (but I'm pretty sure it was one of them) who said, "An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind," but it's a very wise statement.
    Also, evil does not grow in a vacuum. I can assure you that people who do cruel things to other people, to animals, to the environment...something bad happened to them at some point...something traumatized them. Cause people who feel good about themselves want to share that with the world. And people who feel horrible about themselves are sharing that with the world, unfortunately.
    Namaste.

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    #122467   2008-05-20 00:44 GMT      
    nope capital punishment should be applied in cases of multiable murders, simply because whats the point of leaving them in jail doing no good.

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    #122468   2008-05-20 01:00 GMT      
    You must understand that REVENGE and REWARDS are basically the same thing except that one is negative and the other is positive.

    Karma is Action = Reaction.

    You do good, you get rewards. You do bad, you get revenge. This is the most basic self-enforcing law of the universe.

    I feel that ALL Punishment equals REVENGE.
    Without REVENGE means without JUSTICE.
    Without JUSTICE means without ORDER
    Without ORDER means CHAOS ( no civilized society )

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    #122469   2008-05-20 01:07 GMT      
    No and sympathy for the guilty is an affront to the victim.

    Capital punishment is not revenge and it does not deter killers. The sole purpose of capital punishment is to meet the perpetrator on his level and equal the force he has placed upon an individual. This does not mean we are killers like him as we are only administering justice.
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    “A holdup man seeks to gain a value, wealth, by killing his victim; the victim does not grow richer by killing a holdup man. The principle is: no man may obtain any values from others by resorting to physical force.”

    “The Objectivist Ethics,” The Virtue of Selfishness, Ayn Rand

    All actions defined as criminal in a free society are actions involving force—and only such actions are answered by force.

    Do not be misled by sloppy expressions such as “A murderer commits a crime against society.” It is not society that a murderer murders, but an individual man. It is not a social right that he breaks, but an individual right. He is not punished for hurting a collective—he has not hurt a whole collective—he has hurt one man. If a criminal robs ten men—it is still not “society” that he has robbed, but ten individuals. There are no “crimes against society”—all crimes are committed against specific men, against individuals. And it is precisely the duty of a proper social system and of a proper government to protect an individual against criminal attack—against force.

    “Textbook of Americanism,” The Ayn Rand Column, Ayn Rand

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    #122470   2008-05-20 09:21 GMT      
    I was pro-death penalty for a long time, but I have changed my stance over the years, for several reasons:

    1. By far the most compelling is this: Sometimes the legal system gets it wrong. In the U.S., over 100 death row inmates have been exonerated by DNA evidence in the last 30 years. Unfortunately, DNA evidence is not available in most cases. No matter how rare it is, the government should not risk executing one single innocent person.

    Really, that should be reason enough for most people. If you need more, read on:

    2. Because of the extra expense of prosecuting a DP case and the appeals process (which is necessary - see reason #1), it costs taxpayers MUCH more to execute prisoners than to imprison them for life.

    3. The deterrent effect is questionable at best. Violent crime rates are actually higher in death penalty states. This may seem counterintuitive, and there are many theories about why this is (Ted Bundy saw it as a challenge, so he chose Florida – the most active execution state at the time – to carry out his final murder spree). Personally, I think it has to do with the hypocrisy of taking a stand against murder…by killing people. The government becomes the bad parent who says, ‘do as I say, not as I do.’

    4. There’s also an argument to be made that death is too good for the worst of our criminals. Let them wake up and go to bed every day of their lives in a prison cell, and think about the freedom they DON’T have, until they rot of old age. When Ted Bundy was finally arrested in 1978, he told the police officer, “I wish you had killed me.”

    5. Most governments are supposed to be secular, but for those who invoke Christian law in this debate, you can find arguments both for AND against the death penalty in the Bible. For example, Matthew 5:38-39 insists that violence shall not beget violence. James 4:12 says that God is the only one who can take a life in the name of justice. Leviticus 19:18 warns against vengeance (which, really, is what the death penalty amounts to). In John 8:7, Jesus himself says, "let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

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    #122471   2008-05-20 11:38 GMT      
    Thanks for allowing us to feel free to disagree with you. Before I go for details, I would request you to make a correction regarding your 'opinion' whatever humble it could be: Capital Punishment equals to Revenge, with this opinion you disregards Judges as well as Justice! Because 'punishments' (whatever type is) ultimately given by Judges who strictly follows Law of the country. What causes are there to take revenge by the Judges?
    Now come to your point: You suggested for "BETTER"ways of punishment! Huh! Punishment is punishment; if it were BETTER, criminals, especially brute criminals were delighted to get that after each crime by them. Should I take you as a "soft-hearted" kind fellow? Well, in that case think of the person (say a criminal of age 30 yrs only) killed his friend for a silly cause & is been punished for only 20 yrs imprisonment. I think it's 'better way' to you. But rethink of that only 30 yrs young fellow, who'll be deprived from LONG 20 yrs! Youth will be lost! What would remain for that 30+20= 50 yrs poor fellow? One can't take these this way. Sometimes you need to quit evils forever (That's what we do!) So, some brute criminals should be eliminated from this earth, of course through justice. Have you noticed one interesting thing, that Human-Rights activists are not Judges! They are 'sensitive' intellectuals with little-intellectual supporters! You would never ever hear from a REAL sensitive, intellectual Dad or Mom, whose son is been killed & that Dad/Mom requesting His Excellency Judge to punish LOW to the killer?
    We have a saying in Bangladesh, "You'll understand the poison when the snake would bite YOU!"
    Another reason: After thousands of Capital Punishments, do the criminals stopped their crime? At a point, Criminals go up to the capital punishment by themselves, Judges have nothing to do!

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    #122472   2008-05-20 13:48 GMT      
    capital punishment is wrong period. what if that person was innocent? thats a lot of weight on your conscience when you happen to find out that person was innocent all along. and plus, life sentence is way cheaper than death penalty. it cost about $1 million to have someone put to death and about $300,000 for life sentence. i wouldnt want the government to take more money out of my paycheck just to have someone executed.
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