| Author | Message |
Freedom
273 posts |
#119168 2008-05-13 16:42 GMT |
|
(concept by John Rawls)
And how can it be used to attack utilitarianism? In turn, how can it be rebutted (regarding utilitarianism)? Basically, I ultimately want to defend utilitarianism (and this was an argument presented against it). |
|
ThreeRashers
263 posts |
#119169 2008-05-13 16:50 GMT |
|
umm good question--- with a lot of big words!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! rock on sister !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
|
|
RabbitBounce
299 posts |
#119170 2008-05-13 17:01 GMT |
|
the veil is just a metaphor for how ignorance blinds us.
ignorance can't really be used to "attack" anything, but if people are ignorant, then it is unlikely that those people will strive to invoke happiness among all people, which is what ultilitarians strive for. ignorance can't be rebutted, because ignorance can't be proven false, that doesn't make any sense. if you mean how can ignorance be done away with, then yes, by having a utilitarian outlook on dealing with other people, humans would be able to spread more awareness and kindness through each other, and therefore push back the "veil of ignorance" and progress on through existence with clarity. |
|
GiddyUp
254 posts |
#119171 2008-05-13 17:07 GMT |
|
Rawls observed that pretty much everyone has a sense of self-interest. No matter who you are or what you do, it is natural to want to help yourself. This makes producing justice a bit difficult - if everyone inherently skews the system in their own favour, unless all the skews balance out you're just left with a completely warped system.
What a rational system of justice requires, then, is some kind of barrier to protect the system from the above kinds of favouritism. It needs to be the kind of system designed by people who didn't know it might apply to them, or who didn't know how they would fit into the system. This is his 'veil of ignorance' - it's a kind of thinking which accommodates difference without your specific personal interests entering. I suppose it could an argument against utilitarianism in the sense that it doesn't really exist. It's a theoretical position... but unless you do have some dispassionate arbiter to administer utilitarianism according to whatever ethical calculus you are using, it can very easily break down and become corrupt. I suppose the best counterargument is that this isn't a criticism of utilitarianism but of ANY form of government and justice. Being a democracy or a monarchy (for example) won't eliminate the possibility of self-interested abuses of the system. In fact this is one of the more common complaints in the practice of either system - that a majority or the king is cramming their own personal interests down the throat of everyone else instead of in a way that they wouldn't object to if positions were reversed. |
|
BombDrop
294 posts |
#119172 2008-05-13 17:46 GMT |
|
we're blind to the truth, hiding behind our veil of ignorance. =)
|
|
> 1 <
dummies evil visit keeping history feminine exams wake feeling solutions causes canadian locations point africa money morality dreame white frightening blue losing object therapy genetics denotes distinct eggs adler remain enter the situation mentioned pregnancy nature genealogist digging today kitchen cultures water sense he scary failure hand greeks ghost dance living






